THE BLUE UNION’S MEETING WITH BILL KENWRIGHT

Last Friday, contrary to earlier reports in the media, three representatives of The Blue Union met with Everton Chairman Bill Kenwright.

Obtaining a meeting with Bill is an achievement in itself at the moment; he’s refused or cancelled all opportunities to speak to the media, via which he could have responded to the genuine concerns being expressed by an increasing number of Evertonians.

The meeting was arranged through Derek Hatton. Derek, a lifelong Evertonian and friend of Bill Kenwright, who has recently expressed similar concerns over the future of the club, believed dialogue at the highest level would be the only way to facilitate a degree of understanding on both sides.

The three Blue Union representatives, Barry Jones, Simon Magner and Mark Jones, took unpaid leave to travel to London at their own expense and attend the 3hr 30min meeting which took place at Bill’s office.

To avoid the possibility of supporters learning of the meeting from any other source and in a bid to prevent any misunderstanding or misinterpretation arising over what was actually discussed; a brief statement stating that the meeting had taken place was issued the following day.

The Chairman was aware that information from the meeting would be supplied to supporters. The only confidentiality exercised surrounds matters concerning the chairman’s private and family life, which he is clearly entitled to expect and we are equally happy to respect. The normal conversation expected between any football supporters has also been omitted. All three representatives concur that the following is a true and accurate report of what was discussed.

The first report is a factual account of what was discussed; the subsequent report explains our interpretation, understanding, reservations and describes the conclusions we have drawn.

The meeting began with a brief description of the campaign to date; that is wasn’t a mindless Kenwright out campaign, that it was a search for answers and a desire to find a solution to the perceived stagnation of the club.

Bill responded by explaining that nobody is a bigger Evertonian than he; that there was nothing he wouldn’t do to support the club and as an example explained that he’s the only blue to mortgage his house and has borrowed £10m. Having said all that he reinforced that he doesn’t want to be here, he wants to sell; but, he stated, “How can I get out and leave my Football Club?”

Simon replied that Bill’s credentials as an Evertonian weren’t being questioned here, but indicated that many Evertonians make financial sacrifices to support Everton without any desire or hope whatsoever of obtaining a return; Bill “Okay, okay, let’s start”

Mark moved on to what is actually being done to sell the club; he explained “What is Bill Kenwright trying to do now to move the club forward, to sell the club, we hear all the time that you want to sell but what are you actually doing, nothing ever seems to materialise; why hasn’t the club been sold?”

Bill responded “You’re asking why the club hasn’t been sold? I have no idea why Keith Harris, Amanda Staveley, Philip Green, Robert……Elstone, Bill Kenwright…..” Mark, “why haven’t they succeeded?” Bill, “I don’t know….I have no idea why they can’t sell it. Simon, “Is Keith Harris involved Bill? Robert Elstone is on record as saying he isn’t….” Bill, “I don’t know what record that is son but it’s not HMV…Robert said that? When did Robert say that? Simon, “At the public inquiry…….” Bill, “Keith Harris is involved on a daily basis, okay, let’s agree Robert said that; did you read the Keith Harris article in the Echo, The Times, The Guardian…the work he was putting in to sell Everton? Barry, “He was trying to sell Newcastle at the same time, didn’t do…..”Bill, “You’re talking exclusivity? Look, it’s a punt; I’ve been to Goldman Sachs, Deutsche Bank, Citi Bank, we don’t think it’s a good idea to give exclusivity, we would cut off too many avenues; no one can sell the club better than me…”

Mark asks, “Who have you approached?” Bill, “There’s a guy at the moment in Italy, another in Abu Dhabi…Keith has phoned with another; we’ve put a prospectus together…..look you’ll never get a better salesman than Bill Kenwright for Everton Football Club” Mark, ”The question is Bill why hasn’t it been sold?” Bill, “Why? I wish I knew….I have no idea; look, the thing I’m getting is there’s not enough money in the world; the thing is…..when was the last major sale of a football club?”

Barry, “Liverpool”, Simon, “Blackburn”

Bill, “You would want Blackburn Football Club? Barry, “Liverpool” Bill, No, No, No, No, I said major sale; Liverpool weren’t sold, they took over the debt.” Barry, “I’m sorry Bill, they have a new owner who never had a club; they were sold and now they’re showing ambition” Bill, “Okay okay, I’m not arguing with you if you call that buying a football club; Blackburn…..well…….I wouldn’t want a Blackburn.”

Simon, “Well the proof is in the pudding; in five years time they may have Championships and we may be sitting here saying we want a Blackburn scenario. Bill, “No they won’t…look, I don’t know the answer, I get two clubs in the city, Liverpool the foremost club in football…. Barry, “Is it the ground Bill?” Bill, “I don’t get that no….there isn’t a ground situation now…there just isn’t the kind of money out there.

Simon, “Can I just get back to Keith Harris? You’ve said that Keith Harris has been involved in attempts to sell the club but Robert Elstone, at the public inquiry, stated that Keith Harris wasn’t involved in the selling the club, which is it? Bill, “Of course Keith Harris is involved….Keith Harris is involved on a daily basis.

Bill went on to tell a story concerning Keith Harris; he’d put forward two guys who, in his opinion, were suitable potential owners of Everton Football Club. Harris claimed the two guys controlled a hedge fund; one was the head of ICI in the Far East and a second an inventor. They conducted due diligence and Everton were ready to sign an agreement when Bill smelt a rat; investigators discovered that ICI had never heard of the person concerned, he actually lived in one bedroom flat, and the second guy, the inventor, was based in Manchester.

Mark asked, “Bill, are we waiting for people to come to us or are we going to them?” Bill replied that they’ve recently produced a booklet to sell the club, that he has the best contacts in the business and that he speaks to the top agents involved in selling football clubs, Bill stated, “Look, we’re desperate, I’m desperate.”

Barry asked, seeing that Liverpool is now owned by the Boston Red Sox, if any enquiries had been made of the Steinbrenner family who own the New York Yankees? Bill replied “Yes, every avenue has been explored. You either believe me or don’t believe me. What more can I do?” Mark explained “This is the point Bill; people don’t know about this, why aren’t you making these statements public?” Bill replied, “I’ve said all this before; listen son, what more can I say?”

Simon, “Can I just return to Robert Elstone, again, he said at the inquiry that none of the major shareholder shares were for sale, that you were looking for investment and were not selling the Club” Bill answered, “Guys, I do not run the football club…the chairman doesn’t run the football club; do you accept that football fans hear what they want to hear?..Tell me, what has riled you since Chelsea?” Mark answered, “The week after Chelsea we heard that seventh was as good as it gets for Everton, that we don’t need a billionaire…that we want to do our business early and that Louis Saha slept in an oxygen tent…Bill, “Maybe he does….”

Mark, “We’ve heard nothing since Bill…James Vaughan left, that’s it, no other news, no transfers.” Bill responded, “We’ve got no money”

Simon, “Bill, we’ve had almost £30m over the last 12months; £9m from Bellefield, we’ve sold Pienaar, we’ve sold Vaughan, we’ve had loan fees…..Bill, “Yes, I got £1m for Yakubu”

Mark & Barry, “Where has it gone Bill?” Bill, “85p in the pound goes back into Finch Farm……football isn’t rocket science, matchday, player sales and television goes into one budget; what do you think is happening with the money?”

Simon, “I’m fairly confident it’s gone to pay debts Bill”

Bill, “And where has the debt come from?” Simon, “Good question…you tell us…” Bill “I’m not going to get angry, I know you’ve come a long way and I appreciate that, let me try to explain. This football club takes in a massive amount of money; on £81 million we sort of breakeven… you know about EBITDA? Mark “Yeah….” Bill, “EBITDA is earning before……interest……taxation……depreciation and amortisation, it’s our income. On top of our income we have to pay interest of around £4m.  Okay, you know about the bank loan we had under Walter, the securitisation for £30m, it’s now £24.6m, it’s like a mortgage; it goes down slowly. The bank overdraft is £25m, we had Bellefield; we have £25m plus Bellefield. I’m not talking down to you,  I’m just asking questions that I didn’t know till I had to learn about accounts. September/August we get the first lot of Sky money, we’re cash rich. When you have sky money and season ticket money there comes a time when, like every club, we’re at the borrowing limit…end of March…so what do I do every year, I sit with my bank…why? Because at the end of the year we’re back down within our facility, okay, this time we’re not…what do you think our squad is valued at for insurance purposes? It’s about £180m but the banks won’t take that as security …you have to battle with your bank, daily for me. When David started I said to him, we had the £30m debt…remember we were going to get £27m from NTL under Walter…we had an overdraft of £5m. I told him “I’ll make you a promise, I’ve got no money but we’ll move heaven and earth to give you £5m a year.”  On average we give him £5.6 every year. 9 years that’s £45m that we haven’t got. Add that to the overdraft….you can see what trouble we’re in.”

Barry “Okay Bill, how do we get out of this trouble?” Bill replied that didn’t he just say how do we get out of this?  Bill, “Look, we have just done a document to the bank which says you can’t stop the football club from trading…do you not think the bank doesn’t ask me every week how we’re doing with the sale? They’re fucking desperate. So what I’ve told them is ‘don’t kill us this season’…no I will not sell Jagielka, just as last year I was hung drawn and quartered for not selling Arteta. You know the four players we don’t dare sell. Baines, Jagielka, Fellaini and Tim Howard; In simple arithmetic, if you want me show you, £5m a year for 9 years is £45m…The Pienaar money has gone to the bank.” Mark, “Okay Bill, there you go, that’s an answer we haven’t had from you before.”

Bill “Alright, now be my mate, where else could it have gone? Or, be my adversary….where could it have gone, it could have gone in my pocket?” Mark “Okay, well there you go! Now I’m trying to open your eyes; this is what people are saying…” Barry “Bill, we don’t believe it, but this is what people are saying”

Bill “Look, there’s Premier League quarterly meeting for the chairman and chief executive, there are the Premiership accountants, it’s all recorded; it’s like the UN. So I come home to Jenny, and I say ‘So why is it that I stand up and say we can’t let the agents get away with it.’ You can see the problem in football, United, Arsenal, Chelsea they get double our TV money, placement money plus Champions League…How many chairmen aren’t on a salary? One….me. Just work this out; legitimately I am the only Premiership chairman that doesn’t take a salary. Legitimately what could I have made over the past 12 years? On expenses, on the interest on the £11m loan; I have guarantees at the bank…..I had to borrow £3m from the bank 18months ago……It’s got to be £10m, it’s got to be”

Mark “Bill I ask you; you have to do an interview, you need to explain to the fans; why don’t you do that?”

Bill’s replied, “And say what? We haven’t reduced the overdraft, we lose money every year, we can’t make money. That’s the bad news. Don’t they know that?” Mark, “No, they don’t, why don’t you tell them?

Bill describes an article he sent to David Moyes, a two page article that Moyes told him he didn’t need to release, that he was Bill Kenwright. Mark, “Who said you shouldn’t do that” Bill “On my mother’s life, David Moyes”

Simon, “Bill, can I just ask, hand on heart, Moyes has two years left on his contract, I think he’s our most important asset, what’s keeping him at Everton?” Bill, “Simon, I’ve survived three periods of death threats not to sack him, I’ve had the shit in the post, I’ve had the wreath, I’ve had we know where your mother lives…” Simon, “Bill, can I just say, that’s wrong, we would all….” Bill, “I know, I know, look, he’s my mate, we talk about everything.”  Mark, “Okay, to answer Simon’s question, do you think he is going to extend his contract?” Bill, “Do you want him to?” Barry, “I do.” Mark, “Can’t you answer that question?” Bill, “Ask me if I’ve asked him to stay.” Mark, “Okay, have you asked him to stay?” Bill, “Yes, of course I’ve asked him.”

Mark then asked, “What’s Robert Earl’s interest in Everton?” Bill, “He bought the shares from Paul Gregg; he’s a brilliant marketer.” Mark, “But it hasn’t worked Bill….all we’ve seen is Rocky.” Barry, “Is it not in the interest of Robert Earl to come out and say I want to sell my shares?” Bill, “Well I’m speaking on behalf of Robert, Jon, Arthur and Philip; we’ve got the club, we own 75% of the Club”

Mark, “If we have no money now, we won’t have money next summer…” Bill, “I’m with you; I’ll be your president……sell the club…did you write it down for me? Simon, “I’ve written it down for you Bill, Keith Harris is going to sell the club ” Bill, “well write this down as well, Citi Bank, Deutsche Bank, Leon Angel, Keith Harris, Amanda Staveley. You’re saying to me, I’ve listened to you, I think you’re totally wrong in giving an exclusive to a guy, many are better than one guy; there has to be a reason nobody is buying Everton; there is a reason, there’s no money in the world, there’s no point in me being replaced, we need someone with money.”

Mark, “If we’re realistic then, you’re saying that there is no one out there…” Bill, “No I’m not, no I’m not; what I’m saying is that there is someone who I’m supposed to be meeting at 8pm tonight….. but he hasn’t rung me… but I’m always optimistic, because I’m an optimist…my doctor won’t let me be in charge in 5 years, you should be so lucky. I’ll be seventy and I don’t want to be there.”

Simon, “Well, that’s interesting Bill because there’s a large number of supporters who have suggested that maybe the way forward is to setup an interim board with the sole purpose of finding a buyer; would that be something that…?” Bill, “No, because I don’t agree that anyone can do a better job…it’s me, it’s me…get me Keith Harris on the phone love” (secretary). Mark, “You need to do an interview and tell that to people…”

Barry, “To be honest Bill I’ve never felt so out of touch with Everton.” Bill, “We’ve had worse times, you can’t remember the bad times” Mark, “I’ll be honest with you Bill; it’s not a big Bill Kenwright out movement…..” Bill, “I’d be amazed if it was…haven’t you learnt something about accounts today? That knowledge is the best thing you can have…” Mark, “Well, apparently as we don’t understand, we’ve asked Robert Elstone for an idiots guide to the accounts.”

Simon, “When you say that you don’t know why no one has bought the club, I think it’s my belief and a few others, that Goodison is holding us back; on that front, what’s been done recently….the only thing that’s happened positive since the public inquiry is Everton Place and that doesn’t appear to be going anywhere at the moment.” Bill, “Do you know why that’s not going forward?” Simon, “I’ve heard many rumours.” Mark, “This is one of the problems Bill; we’ve heard three different things, we’ve heard that it’s a problem moving the IT equipment….” Bill Laughter, Barry, “Bill this is the stuff we’re being told” Bill, “Who told you?” Barry, “Ian Ross” Mark, “We’ve been told that it’s a problem over insurance, that we don’t own the land; we just don’t know” Bill, “The second one….it’s to do with insurances”

Simon, “I’ve had a little input into the Football Quarter in Liverpool; do you know anything about it” Bill, “Yeah, a little.” Simon, “That’s at kind of an advanced stage at the moment; the guys from KEIOC are sitting down with a major construction company and the council over the next couple of weeks to draw up a prospectus…” Bill, “Fantastic” Simon, “Are there any plans for anything to happen?” Bill, “There are six sites we’re looking at; three of which we’re really keen on, Edge Lane, Speke and another one” Simon, “Stonebridge Cross?” Bill, “Yeah, the one on the East Lancs, yes that one…I would really love Edge Lane.…when I first came on the board about twenty years ago, some guys came to us with plans to regenerate Goodison, really forward thinking guys, they’d thought of everything, it was fantastic…we got told no, the fans won’t be into that stuff…the happiest hour was when I got a phone call just outside Hull and I was told Kirkby was going to get passed; just after I had another and I was told, officially, that Kirkby had failed…”

Simon, “I’ve been told that for the football quarter the council could throw in substantial amounts of land in and around Stanley Park” Bill, “In fairness to the council, even the guy before …I’d phone him every other day and I’d say please please give me something in Liverpool; he phones me up two years  ago, I’ve got the answer…I’ve read it up, I’ve sorted it out, every Evertonian pays £10k for their seat for the next 10 years. What can you say when someone says that to you…”

Mark, “How on earth can we fund a new stadium?” Bill, “But you can, you can, if you’ve got the infrastructure, you can fund it; it’s much much easier to fund a new stadium than what we’ve got” Simon, “We couldn’t fund Kings Dock though Bill” Bill, “That was different, I’ll tell you what happened at the Kings Dock. All along, the council, the Merseyside Development Corporation, all along, they were saying we could do it this week; we could do it this week. Finally we came to the last meeting and they said we can’t do it, you need to find another £40m, and we went away and the only way to raise the money was to sell the whole caboodle. Kings Dock was really seriously world class. I’m not quite sure whether Merseyside Development were serious”

Bill, “This thing, this Football Quarter…is it two stadiums or one?” Simon, “Two, its two stadiums…the idea is that both Everton and Liverpool stay in…”Bill, “And where is it exactly?” Simon, “The boundaries haven’t been set, but they’re around the square of the park if you think about it, it’s inclusive of the Walton and Anfield area and there was talk of it including Walton Hall Park; that’s the home of Liverpool FA.”  Bill acknowledges Walton Hall Park as being spoken about as a possible new stadium. Bill “Have they done a lot of work on the financing side of it, or is it still a dream?” Simon, “It’s a lot further along than a dream, but the financing part is the next stage, interesting investors” Bill, “Could you do a shared stadium” Mark, “If it meant Everton was successful?” Bill, “I’m led to believe John Henry is willing to discuss it, I don’t know; the last lot weren’t interested…to be fair neither where we”

Bill, “Go on; ask me more….are you aware of some of the good things Everton do?” Mark, “I wanted to ask about Finch Farm; we lease it for £1.1m a year, how long do we lease that for?” Simon, “Fifty years.” Bill, “We don’t know that.” Mark, “It appears to me that, in the short term, the lease might be better, but long term it’s going to cost the club a hell of a lot more money; would you agree with that?” Bill,” Of course, but look, you have no money, you need to get the cash in, and so, does it matter?” Mark, “Long term I think it does, yeah.” Bill, “So what do you do, you go without a training facility?” Barry, “Is there an option to buy it Bill?” Bill, “There’s always an option to buy any long term facility, but you have to pay a penalty haven’t you? There’s an option to pay your mortgage back; everything you do is like a mortgage, unless you’re Liverpool and you have fifty million in readies for Torres…..unless you’re Liverpool you don’t get it up front, you get it over three years”

Simon, “Just going back to the finances, this conversation has gone all over the place…..you were saying before that you can account for where the money has gone…” Bill, “I didn’t say that, what I said was the accounts are there” Simon, “Yeah, I know and to be honest I don’t think that anyone is taking a salary out or anything, but one of the things that people are scratching their heads about is this rise in other operating costs, it’s gone from…” Mark, “It’s gone to £24m so there’s twenty odd million there that Evertonians don’t know about… what’s that’s going on; that’s why we’ve come here, we’ve asked Robert to fill us in…” Bill, “When you say other operating costs what do you mean?” Simon, “That’s what it says in the accounts, other operating costs” Mark, “That’s why there’s so much confusion, they’ve steadily risen….” Bill, “I’m sure… whatever accounts you get they go through the most stringent structure imaginable; It’s just a heading, what’s the heading again?” Mark & Simon, “Other operating Costs” Bill, “And how much is it?” Mark, “£24m” Simon, “And that has steadily risen over the…” Bill, “Hold on hold on; then you haven’t got the £53m for the players? Hold on, fifty three plus twenty four, well that leaves you four or five for the other………are these other operating costs David? I don’t know, I have no idea”

Mark “Well, surely as Chairman you should be aware what these other operating costs are?” Bill, “No, absolutely not, and why should I? I can’t break down the accounts for you…” Mark, “This is why some Evertonians are saying money is going missing” Bill, “Guys, listen, there’s the door if you think that…seriously, seriously…hold on, hold on just listen, you have accounts that have to go through every fucking government structure under the sun, so let’s not talk about money missing.” Simon, “In all fairness, Mark didn’t say money is going missing; he’s just saying some Evertonians…” Bill, “No, I’m not having a go at Mark, I’m just saying, listen guys, this is crazy”

Bill, “Are you shareholders? Why aren’t you shareholders? Don’t you want to know about the accounts?” Simon, “The accounts are fed back to the fans anyway” Bill, “Okay, but don’t you want to know about the accounts or do you just want to question the accounts?” Simon, “I want to know what that is, yes”

Barry, “I just want to know what’s the future for Everton Football Club, that’s my fear…as Mark said before, I want to know what we’re going to do…” Bill, “Well, are you pleased with what we’ve done so far? Barry, “Yeah, David Moyes has come in and had a five year plan, he’s just finished his second five year plan, some of the players are 28, 29, 30; what’s his next five year plan? What’s Everton’s five year plan? We can’t spend money now as we haven’t got any, we understand that, but how are we going to spend money in the future?”

Bill “So what was your five year plan guys? What was your five year plan in 1999, 2000? What was the plan then?” Mark, “We need to reduce the age Bill.” Bill, “No it was to avoid relegation. Then reduce the age. I still think that’s a good one. So what’s the next step? Sell. Sell! Sell! Get someone in there, if you know anyone, you’ve got my number……sell. In the meantime, you’ve got a Chairman who keeps the spirit of our Football Club like no other who’s sitting and talking to you like no other who’s…….”

Simon, “What about our mate?” Bill, “Who?” Simon, “Philip Green; would he not be interested in it?” Bill, “No.” Mark, “What’s his involvement Bill?” Bill, “Philip Green? He’s just the best advisor you can have in the history of the world” Mark, “You’re saying there’s no money involved then Bill?” Bill, “He’s not interested. He would say to me, [mockney accent] “Bill, Bill, Bill, if I put facking money into Everton Football Club you think Liverpool fans would buy from Topshop?” He’s not interested; he’s a total genius when it comes to money, he’s like Mozart is to music…he’s great with the bank, he’s just…well… he’s just an advisor; but he’s great at that. Now if I said, “Philip I don’t want your advice” he’d be thrilled…he’s kept me going through terrible times, he’s like that with his mates….anyway, go on…”

Simon, “I was just going to say, just to clarify, how involved is he because going by what Mr Wyness said, he’s the one that fired Mr Wyness; he’s the one that sent him packing.” Bill, “Guys, so you’re now advocating you believe Keith Wyness? Are you saying you believe Keith Wyness?” Simon, “Well…what’s your side of the story?” Bill, “No no, I’m asking the question, first.” Simon, “Well, his silence paid for” Bill, “The easy answer son, are you saying you’re going to believe…”Simon, “Yeah ok then yes, I do…I do believe Philip Green has got more involvement with Everton” Bill, “Okay so let me tell you what happened with Keith Wyness. On a Tuesday, Keith and me and all the guys meet down there for lunch, and we’re planning the cup campaign or whatever it was…Saturday morning he phones me and says “Chairman…I’m gonna go”, I say go where, and he says “I’m gonna go because something’s happened”….it’s a bit like you phoning me, I’m laughing, and I said listen, phone me later, so he phones me later, he’s in the Liverpool party, he says he going to buy Real Mallorca… I said you’ve got a great job, don’t do it. I can’t tell you what he said, but it’s to do with his love for what he thought, anyway, he left to go to Real Mallorca. Keith had had enough because he got the things on the walls ‘Death Keith Wyness’…. he was a very strong man but broken by what happened, and I’m not going to go into any more. Was he bought? Well, he was given severance pay” Simon, “But he’s not allowed to talk about it?” Bill, “What gets me is you listen to people who walk out of your football club… why would you do it Simon? Why would you bring it up? It’s potty, the next one you’ll be talking about is, who’s the lad we had for five minutes?” Barry, “Trevor Birch.”

Bill then tells a story of Trevor Birch’s first day, about him looking at Anfield; Bill explained that he could always see Anfield as it was in his heart as he was a red.  The cameras were there at Goodison, he said we can’t do anything until we get a new ground, Bill told him he couldn’t say that on day one and that he later started talking about selling Rooney and that after Trevor left he sent him a note saying it was the biggest mistake of his life.

Simon, “Can I just say though Bill, it all comes down to communication, it gets to a stage when people hear rumours and rumours and rumours and it all adds up…” Bill, “But Simon, haven’t you always had that? How many of these rumours, what percentage, would you say are true? I’d say none.”

Barry, “With regard to the communication and the fans Bill, is there anything you’re thinking of doing?” Bill, ”Well you’ve told me to do an article, I think I was, wasn’t I?” Barry, “Okay, another thing; last night Everton had a Fans Forum, no one knows who goes or how to get on there…”Simon, “Did you read the leaflet that I gave you Bill, at the end of season awards?” Bill, “Are you all the same group?” Barry, “We’ve come under one banner, The Blue Union, but we all represent different groups.” Simon, “At the end of season award, I saw you outside the Echo Arena; I gave you a leaflet that we were handing out. It was for a Fans Parliament which was to open a dialogue with the Club. Fans would sit down and the idea was that the fans would be democratically elected, the agenda would be set by the fans and it would be chaired by an independent person to the supporters” Bill, “I must have read it”…” Simon, “It’s done by other Football Clubs.” Bill, “It sounds very grand….have you talked to Robert about that?” Simon, laughing, “We’ve sent Robert a few letters” Bill, “Honest to God, I haven’t got time for fans forums; when you say communication, are you talking about Ian Ross because he’s just been appointed Director of Communication in the last six or seven weeks?” Barry, “Let’s leave Ian Ross out of it; we have no problem with Robert Elstone.

Bill “Barry, who are you?” Barry, “We’re from The People’s Group, Simon’s from Evertonians 4 Change,” Bill, “You’re the one I said I’d be your president?” Simon, laughing, “Yeah, okay, look, I think today has been very useful, why don’t we go away, analyse this a little bit, have another meeting with Robert, come up with some proposal in terms of communication, and see if we can go ahead…” Bill “Well you know what you have got to accept guys; your failings, you’ve got to accept your, not failings, your lack of knowledge; and even if you’re like me, you’ll get the knowledge, but it will take 6 or 7 times to get it; when I joined the board what did I know about spreadsheets, it took me ten years…..now, do I know about incomes and outcomes of transfers? But it takes a long time. But you know, all I can see is the huge advance…. colossal. And all I can see is every other Football Club in the country wanting to be like Everton Football Club; every one of them, every single one of them.” Simon, “Every one of them has spent money this window, though…” Bill, “That’s a negative, so what? I’m telling you every other Football Club wants to be like Everton. If you’re going to judge everything on spending money in the transfer window, that’s fine, that’s up to you, it’s not for me. We haven’t spent money because we haven’t got it, we haven’t traded….So I look at the huge leaps forward this Football Club has had. And the next question, still I can’t sell it. That’s where I have failed; I have not got a buyer. But everyone involved at Everton has failed too. There was a time that the shareholders said we’d have an EGM every week now”…and I was with some buyers that said we wouldn’t take that….I’m not saying that stopped them because it didn’t…just remember, when I am not there you won’t half fucking notice. You’ll get someone who charges his petrol and his phone, someone who doesn’t have to borrow….”

Mark “We’re trying to assist you; we don’t want to work against you….” Bill, “I would never knock Evertonians…I went on that Mike Parry show, he said you’ve had death threats, I said they must be driven to it, he reckoned I was too kind…Barry, “Every clubs got them though, they’re horrible Bill, we’re just ordinary Evertonians worried about the future of our club….”

Bill,  “I’m not worried about the future. I look at the past and see how far we’ve come. I’m worried about me, about getting out…. If I was you I’d want me there” Barry, “We haven’t said we don’t but…” Bill, “No, I’ve not said you don’t, but you’re worried about the future because he’s just said ‘ah yeah but we haven’t spent in the transfer window’, if that’s what we’ve got to worry about guys, considering what’s going on in the world, Norway, East Africa” Barry, “We’re talking about football here.

Bill then talked about his Everton diary which includes all his dealings in the transfer window. He reads out various appointments including Deutsche Bank who he alleges are prepared to invest £10m in him, secured against his next five years ticket revenues, from which he’ll put £5m into Everton.

Barry, “What do you feel about the kitbag deal?” Bill “The Kitbag deal is a great deal; for the past couple of years we always lost money” Barry, “Well can I just ask you about one aspect, you can only buy merchandise through the club shops or the internet, you can’t buy anything locally if you live in Warrington, Widnes, Runcorn….Bill, “And do Kitbag stipulate that?” Mark, “Yes” Bill, “Have you asked Robert? Mark, “Yes, he tells us it’s confirmed for the next seven years….Bill, “It is a great deal, if you look at the accounts from six or seven years ago we always lost money on merchandise which is amazing, now we make money, it’s a great deal, I think we make £3m, they’re very good partners,”

Mark “Bill, I think today has been useful; we think you need to get out there and communicate with the fans, tell them what you’re doing, tell them who is trying to sell the club” Bill, “Everyone, I’ve got everyone, every lawyer…It’s easy for me to get all the shit off my back, to give it to Deutsche Bank, everyone has got to go through Deutsche Bank. Would I rather have every agent in the country, every lawyer out there looking for me, yeah I would; first thing I say to them, don’t worry about me, don’t worry about money, I’ll go tomorrow”

Bill, “Look, thanks guys…I actually didn’t think you’d come, thanks.

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76 Responses to “THE BLUE UNION’S MEETING WITH BILL KENWRIGHT”
  1. tom leady says:

    brilliant meeting.

    a huge own goal by kenwright, he has no control over the club or the sale of the club.

    but make no doubt, he trusts and believes in himself – obsessed.

  2. franki miley says:

    well i just read the transcrpt of the meeting and i must say our beloved club is being run by a total retard!!. Honestly ive heard more sense from a child than this idiot, i expect us to be in the championship within the next 5yrs unless we get a buyer ASAP!!!

  3. Jim Fitzsimons says:

    if you weren’t worried before….now is the time !!!!!!
    What an embarrassment…what an amateur
    Congratulations boys on putting all this together. At last every Evertonian
    knows the truth about the incompetent, lying, disjointed group who are at the helm of our beloved club.
    Time for action before we sink without a trace.

  4. Andrew Mackenzie says:

    Oh my good god, I really do fear for the future for this club every minute this guy stays in control.

  5. Al says:

    and if he’d have stayed saying fuck all, you’d have still moaned. Times have changed – we’ve been left behind and it ain’t one man’s fault. Deal with it. We haven’t been at the top of the tree or even challenged since ’87. That’s life. He’s not perfect – but neither is our football club.

    • Andrew Mackenzie says:

      With the greatest respect Al…. what the F***, are you seriously implying a defence for that utter nonsense. He is an embarrassment. These guys were not asking him to reveal ‘bank balance and account details’, there is no ounce of strategy, no ounce of understandfing, compete defence of his position and has nothing positive to show from being in charge of a football club in a league given more money than any other in its history. No infrastructure development etc. He is an abject failure as a chairman. My biggest gint of hope is John Henry approaching him with a conjusive plan to include Everton Football Club Limited in a plan involving the dark side, city council and outside investors to build a modern stadium, which should include the proviso Bill resigns with immediate effect.

      • Al says:

        I’m implying that our current predicament is not just Kenwright’s fault. And I’m saying it’s very short sighted to think it is. Not to mention short memories. We’ve had years of mismanagement on many levels since ’87… let’s not forget: we’re in this for the football. Not the bank statements. Under Johnson and before the footy was dire and we struggled like fuck. Now? Top 7 nearly ever year. Is it good enough? Not with our history, no. But it’s a lot better than it could be with another idiot in charge who would just throw dough at the problem. And Bill brought Moyes here – without the boss, we’d be relegation fodder every year and we all know it. For his faults (negative tactics etc.), it’s David Moyes that is the best thing about our football club, Kenwright deserves a bit of faith and respect for bringing him here, backing him as much as he can and continuing to keep him here each season. I don’t have the answers, neither does the chairman… but you know what? Neither do you. Football is fucked and unfortunately for us, EFC are high profile victims. And I don’t think that it is the fault of one man.

    • Andrew Mackenzie says:

      With the greatest respect Al, I wouldnt have come out with the complete nonsense Bill did and at least understand and balance sheet and would certainly make it my business to understand what one line consisting of 24% was of it!

      He is out of his depth and has been for a long time, regardless of the state of football.e W have sold off significant assets in the past 24 months, technically bought no one and paid all to the bank…! Have no training ground and a ground needing wholesale redevelopment. within two years the few assets remaining will be running down their contracts and be too old to sell for good value.

      One thing is clear, we have no option to sell a good asset every year just to survive. Thanks for the memories Jags…!

      • Al says:

        Fair enough. I’m not gonna’ argue about something I can’t control. The bottom line for me is this: not one person who can afford to, wants to buy us. I believe that’s a fact. We share a city with THEM and as much as it hurts; we’re not attractive enough to the big money boys to compete in the same town/area. The difference here is this: I don’t think the grass will be greener on the other side, most here seem to think it will be. I think my way purely because of financial facts coming out of football and the whole world right now. Yes, some of what he’s said sounds like nonsense, but he was under immense pressure and at least met these lads. What other chairman would? None and you know it. I’m not a Kenwrigh apologist, just a realist. I think the time has arrived to accept our lot for now… when the bottom falls out of the top flight – and I reckon that’s in the next ten years – I’m sure we’ll be around to win things again, like we always have. But I want a Blue in charge then. Not the fifth or sixth multi millionaire who has used us a toy for 18 months before moving on. Kenwright has revealed big things here, things he would never have said to the Mirror or the Echo. And they’re cold hard facts… at the risk of repeating meself, here’s the answer to the big question of why no-one has bought the club: “No they won’t…look, I don’t know the answer, I get two clubs in the city, Liverpool the foremost club in football…” He nearly got there. Hurts don’t it?

  6. PabloMc2 says:

    Utterly depressing, but the saddest thing is that having attended several AGMs/EGMs (in the days before the current board decided to stop them as they were being asked too many difficult questions) all of this is also utterly utterly unexpected 😦

    Read further opinions on The People’s Forum – http://members.boardhost.com/peoplesforum/msg/1313615576.html

  7. phil roberts says:

    I AM SHOCKED!!! I was a big Bill fan previously,but now I realise he’s totally out of his depth.I also think he’s glossing over Philip Greens involvement, I think it’s him he owes all the ‘borrowed’ dosh to.

  8. John Merro says:

    I’m utterly horrified. Seriously it is like the club is being run by Frank Spencer.

    Quite incredibly after Keith Harris & Orville came up with guy who lived in a one bedroom flat as the man to buy the club, he’s STILL the man in charge of looking for investment

    mind boggling…the club is fucked, totally fucked.

  9. Prophet says:

    Unreal that good work by the lads who went down, totally out of his depth.

    Please god don’t let ground share raise it’s head again, we have to get our own house in order on our own esteem.

  10. Mark says:

    elstone has lied through his teeth and the jist was unless the tooth fairy arrives,theres nothing down for us. heres to our steady decline,here comes the slow crashing car crash that is everton football club,what the fcuk happened to us

  11. He admits that he was happy that Kirkby was not passed … how much time was wasted and how much money in a project tat was a non starter from the start ?

  12. I can’t believe some of the shite he’s spouted,the best one being ‘Every other club in the country wants to be like EFC’. What,skint,unsuccessful and going nowhere fast?

    Utterly delusional.

    The man complete arrogance and oversized ego showed through in that meeting. He lives in own little fantasy world.

  13. Henry says:

    Idiots, fickle fans. Most of you are dealing with leftover mommy syndrome; I want i want i want…

    A football club, among other things, is a business. If profits are not there, then you don’t (deficit) spend 10 mill every summer. Kenwright is running the club prudently, not like Portsmouth or Newcastle, and not like City. Thank God. He and Moyes have built a tremendous and loyal squad capable of finishing top four, and the youth are among the most promising in the Premier League. Once we earn champions league all these phony union groups will shut it, and Moyes will have the investment he needs to add to the roster and pay down debts.

    Oh and by the way, why are some of these supporters so incapable of doing a little research on their own. Much of this info regarding accounts and debts and revenue is available online at various sites. Lazy and incompetent you are.

    • Andrew Mackenzie says:

      I don’t think a lot would take issue with what you say Henry. I do give him credit for that. What is clear however is he is not the person to take this club forward and has never been and should never have been appointed to the board. As I’ve said peviously, he would not last five minutes in the real world… but I guess its not, its football. I would be happy with us simply staying in the EPL with this bafoon at the helm. I would also suggest the other directors consider a gagging order to prevent him damaging the club further.

      With regards to Moyes and the squad, anyone of this (thin) squad and the manager can and will go at any point, they are devaluing and ageing every day. Kenwright will not be as easy!

      • Matt says:

        How can yuo say Kenwright would not last 5 minutes in the real world?
        the man is a self made multi millionaire!! i fail to see how anyone could draw this conclusion?

  14. Lance Waring says:

    Absolute disgrace! One of Britain most successful clubs, getting run like this. The fans need to stand up and be counted………..

  15. Shaun smith says:

    Great read and the lads should be happy with what they done here we got bait of truth out of him at last but I still don’t understand he say he don’t have control over the sale of the club. But we must now try get behind the club now for the reminder of the season we will get sold soon or later just hope it’s not to late so let’s get behind the boys and back them all the way right to the end of the season then hopefully we will have good news next season COME ON YOU BUES

  16. Fred Lawless says:

    Well done to those lads for getting this interview but it seems to me the most obvious question was ‘If the club is up for sale what’s the asking price?’

    Bill says he has no idea why no one has bought the club but everything in life has a price; if no one wants to buy the club I would bet my season ticket it’s because it’s overpriced.

    If Bill is simply trying to recoup his initial investment and recover what he’s loaned the club then fair enough, and I don’t even think anyone would have a problem with him making a profit, he is after all a businessman but if he’s trying to walk away with a huge profit like John Moores did when he sold LFC then he needs to drop the ‘I don’t know why no one will buy EFC’ bullshit!

    Come on Bill, tell us now – what is the asking price for Everton Football Club?

  17. C. Potter says:

    Henry,
    Its you who is the idiot if you believe anything that man? has said, he is the complete moron!

  18. matt says:

    It’s either massive amateur night and he really doesnt know what’s going on day to day, or he’s still trying on the cuddly Uncle Bill routine. Either way, it’s unacceptable. I agree with Al that the current predicament isn’t just down to one man, but the solution to this predicament must be envisioned by one man: The Chairman. He doesn’t need to do everything, but he must set the vision and get in a team who can professionally deliver. This is clearly lacking in all his endeavours so far: Kings Dock, Kirkby, NTL, Bellefield, Fortress Fund, Kitbag, Park End demo site. Football is a business now, and whether you agree or like that is immaterial. We need a business man at the top. If that’s not Bill, then Earlstone has to step up and take the reigns. For me, the whole team including Ross are a shower of incompetence. We need new direction, new leadership, new executive team. This will only be achieved with a new owner. “There’s no money in the world” is childish and naive. Every product can be sold, you just need the alignment on two things – a Buyer, and the right price. Bill is the only one who can be frustrating this as the owner.

  19. Clive Thomas says:

    Can someone explain the logistics of getting poo into an envelope ?

  20. Ben Johnson says:

    I think we should put Everton up on Ebay it worked when the Arsenal fans did it with Denilson.QPR, Leicester, Blackburn,West Ham United and even City are clubs who have had large scale takeovers none of these clubs have the heritage or history of Everton. QPR and Blackburn have old grounds also so it does not come down to the stadium. Kenwright talking about other operating costs “Hold on hold on; then you haven’t got the £53m for the players? Hold on, fifty three plus twenty four, well that leaves you four or five for the other………are these other operating costs David? I don’t know, I have no idea.” Why does he have no concept of this. Its £24million out of our £81 million turnover. That works out that our chairman cannot account for where 29.63% of our total turnover is being squandered. Ross Barkley you are a genius son. But you will be a genius at another club, because there is only one place we are going and that’s the championship. Our club has been raped of its dignity. This article is probably the most damming insight into a board rotten to its core. Kenwright talks about forward thinking, what he means by that is we will sell to the highest bidder any of our players and Moyes will definately leave come the end of his contract. We are in massive trouble!!!!!!!!!!

    • Leigh says:

      Blackburn and WHU have had great success since their takeovers! I would hate to see us taken over by either the Blackburn owners (who I will remind you sacked their manager instantly, sold their most valuable asset and failing to significantly reinvest, and who look like going down this year) or the West Ham owners (who are utter clowns sticking their noses in everything, and making shit old signings). Of the others mentioned QPR (no one knows about yet), Leicester are spending but still require more work (plus the infrastructure is already in place, and a setting that is above the club). Other new owners that may interest you who are clubs similar to ours include Villa (who despite the owner looking initially very good has stepped in to agree sales under managers nose such as Milner, Young and Downing. The first of these resulted in Martin O’Neill walking away.)

      What I am trying to say is that I am not happy with Kenwright in charge, but he’s a damn sight better than a lot of these clowns who try to run football clubs, and we should be taking lots of precaution over our new owner.

      Frankly Kenwright has suffered a lot in trying to maintain this football club and is trying to be prudent. I can’t blame him for not spending. He / We as a football club do not have it. And few have spent more than they have brought in this summer. Arsenal, Villa, Newcastle, Blackburn, Sunderland, Spurs, Wigan have all not spent as much as they have brought in through player sales. So we’re in the same position as everyone else (Bar Utd, City, Shite and Chelsea).

  21. Disco Stu says:

    As much as this needed to come out I feel the timing is all wrong. This plus Kenwright coming out to put his slant on it today has knocked at least 25% off the value of anyone that we maybe forced to sell. In my opinion it would’ve been better to sit on this until the transfer window has closed.

  22. mark says:

    BK said on several occasions he wants out, why don’t you take that at face value? He takes no salary, why don’t you take that at face value? He has borrowed money to back the manager’s pretty-average judgement in high-end players, but still finds himself accused of dishonesty by a petty lynch mob. Why would you bother… We can’t give Yak away .. so that’s £11m amortised in three seasons, no offers for Bily either.

    BK says he has had death threats, too.. and all for what? Because he wants Everton to be in a safe pair of hands, not a laughing stock like Venky’s or Carsen Yeung, nor a megalomaniac like Romanov or Abramovich. Maybe we should go for a David Moores type, he’s full of money….

    I question how much more abuse a 60-something can take just for stabilising the club he loves. Be careful what you wish for – he might just throw EFC at the next person to come calling and we become a latter-day Coventry/Birmingham, asking where the money has gone as the team is asset-stripped and making the Championship play-offs seem an achievement.

  23. Bluer-than-you says:

    Why are we having our chairman basing large proportions of a talk about our affairs around Liverpool? I just don’t get it. The ground-share needs to leg-it – FAST! I don’t wanna share seats with some kopite blert or have them use ‘our’ stadium for their European nights while we play Huddersfield the following weekend. Also I can’t see how, if we’re as skint as Bullshit Bill makes out we’d chip in anyway. (seems to me as another way to soothe fans & buy himself time) does anyone else think that a chairman with a vested interest in selling the club SHOULD be on a salary to give the cunt an incentive to actually work on selling our club?

    Worst quote: “Liverpool, the foremost football club” – Bill Kenwright 2011 CUNT. the Torres rant was sickening too. Just fuck off!

  24. craig fear says:

    mmmmmmm. same old same old but dnt just take it out on kenwright or moyes. They just need to try harder COYB

  25. dala says:

    dont forget bill comes from an

    actors background he just earned himself an oscar

  26. Simon says:

    An utter discrace that is the biggest load of bollocks i’ve ever read!. The man is a fucking arse. Was he pissed? Worse of all he has no fucking idea what to do, he has no strategy no plans for the future god help us! Kenwright you are a fuckin arse get the fuck outta our club.

  27. Joe says:

    I worry for our great club. But it’s not bills fault

  28. col the blue says:

    here is just a few of the names on our books before bill and moysie joined forces. GERRARD, PISTONE, NAYSMITH, ALEXANDERSSON, PEMBRIDGE, GEMMILL, MAX MOORE, NYARKO, BLOMQUIST, CLELAND, GINOLA, GASCOIGNE etc etc. THINK ABOUT IT !!!!!!!

  29. joe butler says:

    bill u sounded like a 5 yr old being questioned on quantum physics…left hand doesn’t know what right hands doing springs to mind.defo a rotten core at our club!

  30. Tony says:

    how can a man who runs a company have no idea about the finances of that company and where the money goes, Bill has no Idea whats happening and as he says he wants out I dont believe him he will keep hold of this once glorious club until they prez it from his dead hands or were relegated whichever one comes first

  31. MrT says:

    Until this I came out I have (just about) tended to err towards seeing BK in a reasonably favourable light. I have never being able to come to terms with the ridiculous notion that some fans of football clubs seem to believe that a chairman should be obligated to squander their personal wealth to fuel the fans clamour for transfers.

    Whilst no-one can argue with the basic premise that a football clubs finances should be managed in a responsible fashion the premise should in itself not be used as a diversion by which to dismiss justifiable questions into the probity of the management of the clubs finances.

    BK is clearly not a moron – that is preposterous. He would not have achieved what he has as an impresario were he a moron. That said some of the comments he makes beggar belief.

    The idea that there is no money ‘out there’ Is simply a ridiculous statement. Trillions of dollars of the worlds wealth has been shifted into offshore havens over the past couple of decades and I would be very surprised indeed if this had never neen the subject of an after dinner chat with Mr Green. He has proven himself to be quite adept at keeping his own wealth well away from the UK tax authorities – quite legitinately of course (!). Perhaps this is what BK is referring to when he lauds PG.

    The likes of Phillip Green employ sophisticated methods of accounting architecture in order to avoid paying tax in the UK. PLC’s all over the world do the same thing and create vast complicated trails making it almost impossible for tax authorities to nail them. One of the ways to optimise the efficiency of such scams is to ensure that a UK entity exists to show losses.

    Back in 2006 the BBC Money Program reported that Phillip Green had avoided paying £300million of tax in the UK by living for part of the year in Monaco. Many observers believe this figure to be a gross under estimation. Tax Research UK estimates that some £25bn is lost to the exchequer each year as a result of avoidance and planning, No money in the world Bill???

    I’m not for a moment suggesting that I would welcome the likes of Thaksin Shinawatra into our illustrious club in order that it becomes a vehicle for the laundering of monies from elsewhere merely that the argument that BK makes is so deeply flawed as to be foolish.

    There is plenty of money around – the truth would appear to be that none of it even wants to sniff around our club despite its massive fan base and the fact that it has for the past 5 years been the club which has consistently been the closest in the country to breaking into the top 4 (now 5?) elite. It does seem odd that not a single genuine candidate has emerged in all this time to express any interest. It would seem to me that there may be other reasons than a lack of money in the world.

    The idea that PG would not wish to be seen injecting funds into EFC for fear of an exodus of Liverpoool fans from Top Shop is puerile and insulting of our intelligence. This is sophistry and is profoundly patronising.

    A real cynic might well ask if the ultimate vested interests of the shareholders might not perhaps see that owning an apparently debt laden EFC might not be such a terrible thing.

  32. Earl says:

    Call yourself blues when your secretly taping the meeting! You have just made matters worse for our club!! Well done!!

  33. Fred Lawless says:

    I’ve just found out that you guys recorded your meeting without telling Kenwright. I can’t believe your stupidity! Do you really expect him to meet you again after doing that? You very cleverly opened the communication channel with the Chairman then very stupidly instantly closed it.

    What you did was stupid and naive, not to mention illegal. Please don’t go around saying you represent EFC supporters, you don’t represent me!

    You’ve achieved nothing here except make yourselves look stupid.

  34. Adrian E. says:

    I’m not a Kenwright fan, or otherwise, but I am an Evertonian… and secretly taping private conversations and then making them public without consultation or consent is beyond stupid in my view. And probably unlawful. You’ve ruined all chances of the more open communication you purport to be seeking. What chance now is there of an ongoing dialogue with the Chairman of the club, both of which you have just shafted big time? Whatever idiotic victory you are claiming through this will be short lived. Shameful behaviour. My guess is that you are either idiots with nothing better to do or clandistine Reds trying to shit-stir. AE.

  35. blabzue says:

    derek hatton u make me feel like a poo

  36. blabzue says:

    is it true the news of the world hacked kenwrights phone……..and topped it up with a fivers credit

  37. blabzue says:

    no messin about now ..QPR ur dead m8 ur gona get it..kev tully the bully.. i wana foster john oster..louis saha shit in me car…cant wait for tomoz game …gona listen on da radio.or might try an bunk in….does anyone reckon ill get in on a kids ticket am 78 years old look a bit like shane warne with out earing..faggot……………..and chips

  38. blabzue says:

    fancy goin all the way down the smoke an not goin on the rob….bob.. were u get ur tape recorder from anyway r u bizzys ….makes sense now..deffo plod no more loose lips…did bill grass me up for shittin on the floor…..in the boggs….in the lounge i might add…few quid to get in there nudge nudge……….gutted m8 just found out rockys really a red an i named me dog after him …..sillvester silly name for a dog…….never mind gona sell im to the chippy..bill did snitch on me….tell me the truth m888 ..es just a shitty actor …did bill kenwright star in planet of the grapes…one pood in the cuckoos vest… thanks m8 …. just erd its corrie e was in currlys old man i think

  39. blabzue says:

    to the tune of ..blue moon.. blue union ..u stink of shit..u make me feel sick…soz that waz crap …….bill u wana buy a dog called sillvester……can shortin the name to silly…..like me

  40. Dont be bashing our club says:

    Blue Union for you to do what you have done by releasing these notes makes me think your Liverpool Fans, you do not have my support and you dont represent me. Your negativity and out right back stabbing of our club only days before we play our first game of the season is truly un-fucking-believable. (Fred Lawless i agree with everything you wrote.)

    Only a few years ago i was fearing playing in lower divisions, crashing like Man City. DO you all not remember those dark days.. Is that what you’d rather have.

    If fairness to everton, Bill and David they haven’t sold our best players, they haven’t raised the ticket prices to stupid fees. I’d rather see us settle our debts, develop year by year and build on success. Liverpool have spent hundreds of millions on players and there still shit. Success is something you earn, you cant buy it. Man City spent hundreds on millions and just about won the FA cup. Man UTD, Arsenal (as much as this pains me to say) have developed there success over decades. I only hope we can emulate what they have done.

    I’d rather have Bill any day than someone like the Glazers. DO you want Everton to be 500 million in debt. Or do a Birmingham. How about Mike Ashely, would you want him to be in charge…

    If you want our club to be successful, buy a second shirt, spend some money on the club. And be vocal in your support.

    And of anyone wants to question by dedication to the club, ive supported them since the day i was born, my dad wouldn’t have it any other way. my kids will be blue and there kids will be blue.

    Thankfully Bill and Dave turned our club around, and now we challenge for the top 6 spot. If we do well early on in the season the whole moaning lot of you will soon shut the f*** up

    Clearly a lot of you need to get a life outside football.. You all remind of Newcastle UTD fans. Nothing else to live for. Your all a bunch of moaning wankers..

  41. oddcabbage says:

    Be very careful about getting on kenwrights back and forcing him in to a quick sale. It must be the right owner and not another tom hicks. Bill loves the club but if fans keep calling him a retard and other such unnecessary things he may just say fuck you and sell to the first prick that comes along. The grass isn’t always greener

  42. Steve Percival says:

    Well I’m not impressed. I’ve made some comments

    1. Derek Hatton has not got a good reputation and I’m surprised he’s named as an ally. That’s not good and I don’t think and reputable company would want to buy Everton if Derek Hatton was in the picture.
    2. Why don’t they involve someone reputable like BBC pundit John Parrot instead.
    3. Paras 13, 14 – Man City were also sold. Also, taking over a debt is part of a sale. Liverpool owners bought the club which includes taking over any debt. Not sure why Kenwright is saying this. It’s a stupid thing to say.
    4. He keeps saying he doesn’t know why the club isn’t sellable and yet he says he’s the best person to sell it. This is a huge contradiction and a stupid thing to say. A man at the head of a business knows why his business won’t sell better than anybody. It’s common sense.
    5. He’s saying he won’t give exclusivity. But that’s exactly what he’s doing by doing everything himself, which I think is very little. He’s hanging on to his shares until they increase in my opinion. Also he can get his mortgage money back immediately he resigns his directorship. He may have mortgaged his house but did he lend the club any of the money? Where did it go? If he did then when he sells or resigns Everton will have to repay the loan to him, probably with interest.
    6. ‘Theres a guy in Italy and Abu Dhabi’. It says nothing. Who do they represent and who are they? What’s the value being put on the club. Is it too high?
    7. By saying there’s no money out there is utter rubbish.
    8. He then evades the shares question.
    9. EBITDA is an accounting model I don’t think a football club should be using. It’s more aligned to telco’s who have to invest millions in hardware for networks for example which take years to complete before they can use the network and get a return on their investment. Footballs not like that, it’s much more short term. I think Kenwright is trying to baffle them with science and he’s unclear of the mechanics himself.
    10. When he says I’m not going to get angry means he is getting angry. When people get angry it’s often because they feel guilty and go on the defensive.
    11. Re the cash flow statement I think it’s nonsense. He needs to re finance the club with another bank. There are loads of banks out there who would help. If the current bank won’t help then move. The whole statement is full of contradictions. Why would sky money be anything else but a positive. I don’t see what that’s got to do with borrowing.
    12. I think Bills going a bit mad. He’s obviously feeling threatened and making very awkward remarks and statements. He’s meeting someone at 8 tonight ……….. his doctor …. And so on. He’s gone mad!
    13. Next it’s a disgraceful answer to say he doesn’t know what Other Operating Costs are … it’s just a heading .. that’s incompetence. A chairman should know what every entry is in the clubs accounts particularly when its £20m!
    14. He’s very defensive and they’re right he should know what this money is. He is now becoming threatening. Not good.
    15. I’d have asked who audits the accounts. Who are the accountants and who are auditing the entries to ensure they stack up? If the money is going to the board under operating costs that’s all legal so possibly that’s where it’s gone. But of course he won’t say.
    16. I do accounts with my accountant with my company and it’s not rocket science. The only government obligations are that accounts should be presented to Companies House (completed by a qualifed accountant) once a year, 3 months after the end of year closes. As director, I am obliged to know what all the figures are. It’s also a legal requirement that all entries are supported by adequate records which must be kept for 6 years I think it is. To say he doesn’t know is bordering on illegality (if he said that to a government inspector).
    17. You don’t need to be a shareholder to get hold of any company’s accounts so not sure why he is saying that. It costs a pound to get them from the government centre based in Cardiff. You can also do due diligence on Dunn and Bradstreet. Don’t have to be a shareholder and it’s too expensive anyway. Everton shares are about £1,500 each (nominal shares).

    He is an actor and this interview is pure theatre, that’s all.

  43. Terry says:

    It seems to me that both sides have made good points. However, the bottom line is that if you don’t have the money you have to borrow it, provided you can pay it back. Pre the recession banks were lending money without checking whether people and/or clubs could pay it back. They now check and in EFC’s case have found we cannot afford any other finance. LFC have spent over £100 million half of that came from the Torres sale. I bet john Henry has borrowed the other £50 million. When they do not get into the Champions league, they will struggle. I’d advise anyone to read ” Broken Dreams: Vanity, Greed and the Souring of British Football by Tom Bower before criticising Bill Kenwright. Personnally I trust Kenwright, he’s a Blue through and through. Anyone in his right mind must realise he wants the same as us.
    TC

  44. blabzue says:

    the kenwright gate tapes the dan gosling cock up makes unckle bill looks like es lost the plot recken he will end up in a straight jacket in apadded cell padded up with jason donavon singin that famous song from the joseph musical ….i close my eyes……. it al looks perfect…whoao……..got an idea we do protest……… a dirty protest ….like that cunt in the wheelchair in strangways prison…..cover r faces in shit an go the match…… dont put to much shit by ur lips it crustys up looks like a fuckin big cole sore…..then wen i give the word we all piss r kecks…. arrr that warm feelin ….u no the ready breck glow all down ur leg…..make sure u were socks or ur feet be slippin in ur shoes fuckin murder walkin home….blue union feel the backlash….bet u wish u could turn the clocks back….didnt tell us any think we didnt no…….u just caused more fuckin doom an gloom………sneaky cunts……only good thing to come out of this is deggsy looks the cunt e is

  45. graham devine says:

    Let’s be totally honest who actually didn’t already know the answers to the questions asked… 3 amateurs.Bill will be the one you wished never left.let’s prove them all wrong and do something big …one hing Bill has in bucketloads that the lfc 3 don’t have is integrity…that’s what I want in my owner…… Gs3 row f seat 114

  46. Josh says:

    We need a buyer right away, Kenwright is not the Club’s main Obstacle, the club has got many problems, but if we want to stay in the Premier League and be a competitive side we need some Money for Transfers, we won’t last in the Premier League if Kenwright is still in control.

  47. Alan says:

    Fair play for finally getting this out guys. Great interview, asking the hard questions that needed to be answered. The responses are revealing alright. Cross your fingers and hold on tight. This season…and the next few years are going to be a roller coaster!!!

  48. Clive Lewis says:

    It is pretty clear that they are all making a lot of money from the Everton venture. Bill maybe a Blue but when it comes to money I feel that he may be using his beloved Everton to protect his steady income that he dosent get.

  49. Pete Dawson says:

    Will some one please tell me what is the asking price for Goodison Park and who the hell was the guy in a 1 bedroom flat ??? and a inventor is this a joke .

  50. blabzue says:

    three shilings

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